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		<title>By: Len kloth</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039; Spiritual authority&#039; This is one of the books that was used as a foundation for the Shepherding movement back in the 80&#039;s.-here are specifics; 


Below are a few statements in this book that I don&#039;t see New Testament support for. 

Page 22-23 under &quot;First Lesson a Worker Should Learn Is Obey Authority&quot;: We are under men&#039;s authority as well as having men under our authority. This is our position. Even the Lord Jesus on earth was subject not only to God but also to other&#039;s authority... A Christian worker ought to know who is above him. Some do not know who are the authorities above them, hence they do not obey. We should not be occupied with right or wrong, good or evil; rather should we know who is the authority above us. Once we learn to whom we must be subject, we naturally find our place in the body. 

Page 71 under &quot;Be Fearlessly Subject to Delegated Authority&quot;: People will perhaps argue, &quot;What if the authority is wrong?&quot; The answer is, If God dares to entrust His authority to men, then we can dare to obey. Whether the one in authority is right or wrong does not concern us, since he has to be responsible directly to God. The obedient needs only to obey; the Lord will not hold us responsible for any mistaken obedience, rather will He hold the delegated authority responsible for his erroneous act. Insubordination, however, is rebellion, and for this the one under authority must answer to God. 

Page 180-181 under &quot;To Be in Authority Often Means Loneliness&quot;: In learning to be in authority we ought to be sanctified before brothers and sisters. Many legitimate things we cannot do and many lawful words we cannot speak. We must be sanctified both in words and in sentiments. According to ourselves we take a certain attitude, but among God&#039;s children we will be sanctified. Even our fellowship with brothers and sisters must have a limit beyond which we will neither be casual nor frivolous. We should rather lose our liberty, we rather will be lonely. Loneliness is the mark of authority... The opposite of holiness is commonness, not sin. To be sanctified is to be different from others....The sparrows fly in flocks, whereas the eagles fly singly....To be in authority requires restraint; one must sanctify himself. Others may but you cannot; others may speak, but you cannot....You may feel lonely and miss the fervor of the crowd; nevertheless, you dare not mingle with the brothers and sisters in joking and jesting. This is the price of authority. Unless we sanctify ourselves like our Lord we are not qualified to be in authority. 

Page 182-183 under &quot;To Be in Authority Requires Restraining One&#039;s Affections&quot;: I will show myself holy among those who are near me.&quot;...There is a much severer discipline applied to them than to the people in general.... As has already been mentioned, the opposite of holiness is commonness. Holiness means that others may, but I cannot. What the disciples may do, the Lord does not. What other brothers may do, those in authority cannot do. Even lawful affection needs to be put under control; otherwise death can be the consequence. The people of Israel died because of their sins, but priests may die because of not being sanctified....Those who serve are anointed by God. They should sacrifice their own affections, denying even legitimate ones. All who would maintain God&#039;s authority must know how to oppose their own feelings, how to lay aside the deepest of their affections towards their relatives, friends and loved ones. The demand of God is exacting: unless one lays aside his own affections he cannot serve God. He who is sanctified is God&#039;s servant; he who is not sanctified is a common person. 

Page 184 under &quot;Sanctified in Life and Enjoyment&quot;: It is therefore a matter of enjoyment. Others may enjoy, but we cannot. Others may rejoice in pleasures (for wine speaks of rejoicing), but we cannot. People serving God are under discipline that they may be able to distinguish between the holy and the common, and between the unclean and the clean.... The higher the office, the stricter the demand. The degree of nearness to God becomes the degree of His demand. Of him to whom God entrusts more, the more will He demand. God especially concerned with whether of not His servants have sanctified themselves. 

Page 185 under &quot;Authority Is Based on Sanctification&quot;: Authority has its foundation in sanctification... You cannot represent God if you maintain very liberal and loose communication with the people. The higher the authority the greater the separation. 

Page 191 under the chapter &quot;The Conditions for Being Delegated Authorities&quot;: To be in authority is costly; such ones need to be sanctified from the rest and be ready for a lonely life.... As soon as one becomes too common, he is dropped from the work. His usefulness is gone, and his authority is lost. 

Its about controlling people, legalism, a very dangerious form of fundamentalism


King George 111 used Romans 13 against the colonists in the revolution. Romans 13 was the bases of &#039;divine right of kings&#039; to rebel against them, was to rebel against God, a nifty arrangement. He was told &quot;If Kings rule by divine right, then let them rule in heaven!&quot;-Thomas Jefferson

Watchman nee&#039;s book is a return to the authoritarian legalism of &#039;kings,&#039;  dangerous, medieval, scary.

I know who I would agree with, between Watchman Nee, and Jefferson!

I invite comments;
Len]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216; Spiritual authority&#8217; This is one of the books that was used as a foundation for the Shepherding movement back in the 80&#8242;s.-here are specifics; </p>
<p>Below are a few statements in this book that I don&#8217;t see New Testament support for. </p>
<p>Page 22-23 under &#8220;First Lesson a Worker Should Learn Is Obey Authority&#8221;: We are under men&#8217;s authority as well as having men under our authority. This is our position. Even the Lord Jesus on earth was subject not only to God but also to other&#8217;s authority&#8230; A Christian worker ought to know who is above him. Some do not know who are the authorities above them, hence they do not obey. We should not be occupied with right or wrong, good or evil; rather should we know who is the authority above us. Once we learn to whom we must be subject, we naturally find our place in the body. </p>
<p>Page 71 under &#8220;Be Fearlessly Subject to Delegated Authority&#8221;: People will perhaps argue, &#8220;What if the authority is wrong?&#8221; The answer is, If God dares to entrust His authority to men, then we can dare to obey. Whether the one in authority is right or wrong does not concern us, since he has to be responsible directly to God. The obedient needs only to obey; the Lord will not hold us responsible for any mistaken obedience, rather will He hold the delegated authority responsible for his erroneous act. Insubordination, however, is rebellion, and for this the one under authority must answer to God. </p>
<p>Page 180-181 under &#8220;To Be in Authority Often Means Loneliness&#8221;: In learning to be in authority we ought to be sanctified before brothers and sisters. Many legitimate things we cannot do and many lawful words we cannot speak. We must be sanctified both in words and in sentiments. According to ourselves we take a certain attitude, but among God&#8217;s children we will be sanctified. Even our fellowship with brothers and sisters must have a limit beyond which we will neither be casual nor frivolous. We should rather lose our liberty, we rather will be lonely. Loneliness is the mark of authority&#8230; The opposite of holiness is commonness, not sin. To be sanctified is to be different from others&#8230;.The sparrows fly in flocks, whereas the eagles fly singly&#8230;.To be in authority requires restraint; one must sanctify himself. Others may but you cannot; others may speak, but you cannot&#8230;.You may feel lonely and miss the fervor of the crowd; nevertheless, you dare not mingle with the brothers and sisters in joking and jesting. This is the price of authority. Unless we sanctify ourselves like our Lord we are not qualified to be in authority. </p>
<p>Page 182-183 under &#8220;To Be in Authority Requires Restraining One&#8217;s Affections&#8221;: I will show myself holy among those who are near me.&#8221;&#8230;There is a much severer discipline applied to them than to the people in general&#8230;. As has already been mentioned, the opposite of holiness is commonness. Holiness means that others may, but I cannot. What the disciples may do, the Lord does not. What other brothers may do, those in authority cannot do. Even lawful affection needs to be put under control; otherwise death can be the consequence. The people of Israel died because of their sins, but priests may die because of not being sanctified&#8230;.Those who serve are anointed by God. They should sacrifice their own affections, denying even legitimate ones. All who would maintain God&#8217;s authority must know how to oppose their own feelings, how to lay aside the deepest of their affections towards their relatives, friends and loved ones. The demand of God is exacting: unless one lays aside his own affections he cannot serve God. He who is sanctified is God&#8217;s servant; he who is not sanctified is a common person. </p>
<p>Page 184 under &#8220;Sanctified in Life and Enjoyment&#8221;: It is therefore a matter of enjoyment. Others may enjoy, but we cannot. Others may rejoice in pleasures (for wine speaks of rejoicing), but we cannot. People serving God are under discipline that they may be able to distinguish between the holy and the common, and between the unclean and the clean&#8230;. The higher the office, the stricter the demand. The degree of nearness to God becomes the degree of His demand. Of him to whom God entrusts more, the more will He demand. God especially concerned with whether of not His servants have sanctified themselves. </p>
<p>Page 185 under &#8220;Authority Is Based on Sanctification&#8221;: Authority has its foundation in sanctification&#8230; You cannot represent God if you maintain very liberal and loose communication with the people. The higher the authority the greater the separation. </p>
<p>Page 191 under the chapter &#8220;The Conditions for Being Delegated Authorities&#8221;: To be in authority is costly; such ones need to be sanctified from the rest and be ready for a lonely life&#8230;. As soon as one becomes too common, he is dropped from the work. His usefulness is gone, and his authority is lost. </p>
<p>Its about controlling people, legalism, a very dangerious form of fundamentalism</p>
<p>King George 111 used Romans 13 against the colonists in the revolution. Romans 13 was the bases of &#8216;divine right of kings&#8217; to rebel against them, was to rebel against God, a nifty arrangement. He was told &#8220;If Kings rule by divine right, then let them rule in heaven!&#8221;-Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>Watchman nee&#8217;s book is a return to the authoritarian legalism of &#8216;kings,&#8217;  dangerous, medieval, scary.</p>
<p>I know who I would agree with, between Watchman Nee, and Jefferson!</p>
<p>I invite comments;<br />
Len</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
		<link>http://paulpetersonlive.com/2007/06/02/highlights-5/#comment-1294</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like this blog and what you stand for.

Family is so apparently First for you and speaks a million words.
Oh course God is up there too. :)  But with you like your wallet 
God has GRACED you.  This blog had alot to digest and I am still am.  Keep it up....

In His presence,
Heidi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this blog and what you stand for.</p>
<p>Family is so apparently First for you and speaks a million words.<br />
Oh course God is up there too. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   But with you like your wallet<br />
God has GRACED you.  This blog had alot to digest and I am still am.  Keep it up&#8230;.</p>
<p>In His presence,<br />
Heidi</p>
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		<title>By: Rindy</title>
		<link>http://paulpetersonlive.com/2007/06/02/highlights-5/#comment-1266</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some great thoughts to digest here!!

Auth/Submission: when we submit to God&#039;s authority and begin to obey, the more complicated things get, yet when we know and accept that He is in control, the easier it is to listen and obey...crazy paradox...awesome feeling!!

Watching what you say to kids:  Kids ALWAYS remember anything you want them to forget... ;)

Quality/quantity Time: date nights/1:1 time are awesome! go with no &quot;agendas&quot;, enjoy, and let the conversations just flow...incredible! it&#039;s all about priorities...I hear more people worried about missing a TV show...if you can find time to spend an hour watching your favorite TV show, but not an hour to spend with your kids...where&#039;s the priorities? Kids know...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great thoughts to digest here!!</p>
<p>Auth/Submission: when we submit to God&#8217;s authority and begin to obey, the more complicated things get, yet when we know and accept that He is in control, the easier it is to listen and obey&#8230;crazy paradox&#8230;awesome feeling!!</p>
<p>Watching what you say to kids:  Kids ALWAYS remember anything you want them to forget&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Quality/quantity Time: date nights/1:1 time are awesome! go with no &#8220;agendas&#8221;, enjoy, and let the conversations just flow&#8230;incredible! it&#8217;s all about priorities&#8230;I hear more people worried about missing a TV show&#8230;if you can find time to spend an hour watching your favorite TV show, but not an hour to spend with your kids&#8230;where&#8217;s the priorities? Kids know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: debbie</title>
		<link>http://paulpetersonlive.com/2007/06/02/highlights-5/#comment-1265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[debbie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are such a wonderful daddy....God Bless you, Sheri and your little ladies]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are such a wonderful daddy&#8230;.God Bless you, Sheri and your little ladies</p>
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